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May 23, 2015 22:30:07 GMT -5
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Post by manju on May 23, 2015 22:30:07 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I had this floating, bouncing like feeling since a year when I was under severe stress and anxiety. I also had muscle twitches at the same time and now they got lessen with time.I don't have a head spinning feeling but a feeling like floating/lightheaded. It’s hard to explain this to some one. I've been through all the tests (vestibular,mri's etc) and nothing wrong was found. There was some b12 deficiency that I was able to compensate with supplements. After going through google etc, I asked my GP to prescribe SSRI's but could not tolerate after 3 days.
So started to do meditation and it brought down the anxiety to a good level.I felt little better after going to gym and doing regular cardio workout. I came across below website and some one's experience of how he got cured with yoga shoulder stands(I think he got cured after 6 months). I felt somewhat better by doing these shoulder stands(the weird feeling of falling down got better for me). It's been only two months since I started these.One has to be very careful while doing these as these are inversion postures(people with Blood Pressure and other health issues are not supposed to do these yoga postures).I donno if this dizziness has sub categories but seems like there could be something common between people that have these. Below is the link to spencer's website .
www.bradleyspencer.com/about-brad/dizziness/
Also the latest research that I found on this is done in Brazil(January 2015). Looks like it’s in preliminary stage but some news regarding this research says that some physiological changes were found in the brains of people with this dizziness using fMRI It talks about some brain pathways changing..It claims that 90% of researcher’s patients got better after the treatment. Not sure what that treatment is ? I hope there will be something that can cure this condition. Below is the link regarding the ongoing research that I found.
agencia.fapesp.br/research_indicates_link_between_persistent_dizziness_and_anxiety/20538/
I have couple of questions if someone knowledgeable can comment on these.
If these changes in the brain pathways are neural pathway changes(I guess that's what research says) can’t this be cured with brain’s plasticity feature using meditation etc? may be it’s very hard and takes lot of time but looks like this is reversible some how if the new neural pathways gets created.
Is it Sertonin deficiency related, as the SSRI’s are making it better for few people ?
can the neuro transmitter imbalance have a role in this ?
Did anyone try natural replacement of SSRI’s like St. John’s wort etc?
I tried Ashwagandha for anxiety and it helps me calm down.
Thanks
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May 24, 2015 2:02:09 GMT -5
Post by jools on May 24, 2015 2:02:09 GMT -5
Hi Manju, welcome and thanks for the great post! I've also read Bradley's success story and I've been doing those stands, somewhat irregularly though. Bradley said he did those stands several times a day but my yoga teacher warned me to do those without proper preparation moves first so it's hard to find time to do it that often. Really interesting arcticle also on new MRI findings, thanks.
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May 24, 2015 2:44:18 GMT -5
Post by eliuri on May 24, 2015 2:44:18 GMT -5
Hello there, Manju:
I have similar sensations of rocking, but usually only when I'm walking.
It's often accompanied by muscle pain in shoulder blade area if I walk long distances. How ere you able to lessen the twitching? I did PT for the shoulder pain over a year ago. Pain went away, but the rocking was still there. Then the pain came back a few months later-- as well as worse rocking sensations -- after I got very stressed, and has remained so.
I dont do the shoulder stands you mentioned because because my upper back gets sore when I tried those once.
I did find Qi Gong exercises-as well as Tai Chi have helped some with the "rocking" as well as a visualization- type exercise that I had posted about here. When I do make some progress with this, it doesn't take much in terms of emotional stress to cause relapse back to where I was before.
Thanks for linking to article about Dr. Roseli Bittar's work on this. I posted link to that full article in the documents area of this forum, as well as excerpts from it I found to be useful, at least for my interests.
Note how often this occurs in those with: "Cervical Syndrome" (which can often be caused by the dizziness itself) Vestibular Migraines, and Sleep Disorders.
Unfortunately, the current approach is too reliant on SSRIs, which do help many. But as you've seen, not everyone can tolerate those without unbearable side-effects. Also: I dont think its simply a matter of increasing serotonin.
In theory, VRT should be just as helpful as medication, but I've not yet learned of a specific VRT type protocol for "rocking" "bouncing" "floating" sensations. I dont know what treatment modalities Dr Bittar used to achieve her 90% success in treating this. Would be interesting to find out..
Hope you continue to post here about how things go with whatever approach you're taking.
~eli
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May 24, 2015 3:31:53 GMT -5
Post by eliuri on May 24, 2015 3:31:53 GMT -5
I haven't found this study yet, but will keep my eyes open for it and post either the study or abstract when I locate it. Thomas Brandt and Johan Holmberg found similar "walking on ice" type patterns over a decade ago.
I do believe these changes ARE reversible, but some may have temporary relapses because the brain has learned maladaptive postural control patterns and there's also the sensitization of vestibular pathways. But yes, I think you're right that neuroplasticity allows for recovery. It's a functional disorder, not one of "permanent organic damage". This is why it's often found that when people with this condition are attempting more complex balance tasks , they do just as well as normal subjects. Also, often distraction alone makes the subjective symptoms go away.
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May 24, 2015 17:08:02 GMT -5
Post by manju on May 24, 2015 17:08:02 GMT -5
Hi Manju, welcome and thanks for the great post! I've also read Bradley's success story and I've been doing those stands, somewhat irregularly though. Bradley said he did those stands several times a day but my yoga teacher warned me to do those without proper preparation moves first so it's hard to find time to do it that often. Really interesting arcticle also on new MRI findings, thanks. Thanks Jools, I think Bradley did 5 shoulder stands a day and each stand for 2 minutes. Like you said, it’s hard to do many in a day with out prior warm up and preparation. I do the sarvangasana after I come back from the gym( as the body will be fully warmed up after the workout) I think blood flow into the head is making things better. I also read this asana calms down the mind and body...may be it’s calming down my anxiety feelings. Yoga slowly changes the mind/body. I also do some pranayama. What asanas do you regularly do ? Thanks Manju
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May 24, 2015 17:10:54 GMT -5
Post by manju on May 24, 2015 17:10:54 GMT -5
Hello there, Manju: I have similar sensations of rocking, but usually only when I'm walking. It's often accompanied by muscle pain in shoulder blade area if I walk long distances. How ere you able to lessen the twitching? I did PT for the shoulder pain over a year ago. Pain went away, but the rocking was still there. Then the pain came back a few months later-- as well as worse rocking sensations -- after I got very stressed, and has remained so. I dont do the shoulder stands you mentioned because because my upper back gets sore when I tried those once. I did find Qi Gong exercises-as well as Tai Chi have helped some with the "rocking" as well as a visualization- type exercise that I had posted about here. When I do make some progress with this, it doesn't take much in terms of emotional stress to cause relapse back to where I was before. Thanks for linking to article about Dr. Roseli Bittar's work on this. I posted link to that full article in the documents area of this forum, as well as excerpts from it I found to be useful, at least for my interests. Note how often this occurs in those with: "Cervical Syndrome" (which can often be caused by the dizziness itself) Vestibular Migraines, and Sleep Disorders. Unfortunately, the current approach is too reliant on SSRIs, which do help many. But as you've seen, not everyone can tolerate those without unbearable side-effects. Also: I dont think its simply a matter of increasing serotonin. In theory, VRT should be just as helpful as medication, but I've not yet learned of a specific VRT type protocol for "rocking" "bouncing" "floating" sensations. I dont know what treatment modalities Dr Bittar used to achieve her 90% success in treating this. Would be interesting to find out.. Hope you continue to post here about how things go with whatever approach you're taking. ~eli Hi Eli, I also had cervical neck pain and sciatica pain since very long time. I think some nerve compression is causing it. I think the computer Job that I do caused it. Yoga asanas are helping me to manage this. Regarding the muscle twitches, meditation and Ashwaganda has helped with it a lot. Neurologist said these are benign but they are annoying while falling asleep. They wake me up while I was about to fall asleep. I think now they are less frequent. Also forgot to mention, when I read bradley’s success story, I did this initially using a Inversion Table. I actually used to use the table for decompressing the spine for back and cervical pain. This is better to use than doing the shoulder stand as one can change the angle of inversion and don’t have to base the body weight on shoulders. One difference that I noticed between inversion table and shoulder stand is neck is stretched in the shoulder stand and gave me relief with the neck pain. With the inversion table there could be some strain in the knee joints. Both of these I started slowly like 1 minute at a time. Even 30 seconds at a time is good initially. Thanks Manju
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May 24, 2015 17:32:07 GMT -5
Post by eliuri on May 24, 2015 17:32:07 GMT -5
Manju wrote:
Thanks for info about the "Inversion Table"
Did the neurologist feel that the neck issue was playing significant role in those dizziness sensations?
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May 24, 2015 17:51:36 GMT -5
Post by manju on May 24, 2015 17:51:36 GMT -5
Manju wrote: Thanks for info about the "Inversion Table" Did the neurologist feel that the neck issue was playing significant role in those dizziness sensations? No Problem. Inversion table helps in decompression naturally but again one has to be very careful while using it. I am here up north where things are very slow with health care. Initially I was sent for Head MRI and then when I insisted on spine MRI, I was sent for lumbar first and then cervical at last. Cervical spine MRI results are still due. Lumbar Spine showed some slight disc bulges.
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May 25, 2015 22:47:28 GMT -5
Post by eliuri on May 25, 2015 22:47:28 GMT -5
Hi again, Manju:
From my own experience and reading on this, I think the dizziness here and the neck issues might amplify each other. I've posted here a number of times as to why this might be.
In my own case, its mostly shoulder blade area, but its similar and probably has cervical origins.
I'll be trying to get into another round of physical therapy since that helped with the stiffness a lot last time I did it. This did help some with the "rocking" indirectly. As to why I relapsed so badly, I wish I knew for sure. But I did notice that the "rocking" had gotten worse very soon before the pain had acted up again.
Please do keep us posted as to results of cervical MRI and suggestions they make.
But do keep in mind that some MRI findings might be incidentals and don't reflect the cause of the symptoms
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May 26, 2015 9:03:52 GMT -5
Post by jools on May 26, 2015 9:03:52 GMT -5
What asanas do you regularly do ? I'm sorry but I don't know the names of those in english. It's pretty basic and relaxed hatha stuff, nothing too complicated or physical.
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May 26, 2015 9:09:52 GMT -5
Post by jools on May 26, 2015 9:09:52 GMT -5
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May 28, 2015 17:33:13 GMT -5
Post by manju on May 28, 2015 17:33:13 GMT -5
Hi again, Manju: From my own experience and reading on this, I think the dizziness here and the neck issues might amplify each other. I've posted here a number of times as to why this might be. In my own case, its mostly shoulder blade area, but its similar and probably has cervical origins. I'll be trying to get into another round of physical therapy since that helped with the stiffness a lot last time I did it. This did help some with the "rocking" indirectly. As to why I relapsed so badly, I wish I knew for sure. But I did notice that the "rocking" had gotten worse very soon before the pain had acted up again. Please do keep us posted as to results of cervical MRI and suggestions they make. But do keep in mind that some MRI findings might be incidentals and don't reflect the cause of the symptoms Thanks Eliuri...sure will let you know what my neuro says about my MRI
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May 28, 2015 17:38:59 GMT -5
Post by manju on May 28, 2015 17:38:59 GMT -5
Thanks Jools ...I always try to do the simple ones in some sequence but could not stick to one particular sequence....will have to follow some discipline on this.
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Jul 23, 2018 15:59:48 GMT -5
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Post by Arnold on Jul 23, 2018 15:59:48 GMT -5
Can somebody Tell me if they know what Dr. Roseli Saraiva Moreira Bittar‘s treatment is? The one that is 90% effective in her patients? Is there any link or anything?
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Jul 23, 2018 16:01:17 GMT -5
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Post by Arnold on Jul 23, 2018 16:01:17 GMT -5
My email is a_gamboa88@yahoo Please any info would be greatly appreciated
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